from what we understand, as of right now, the fbi, doj has not given edith o'brien immunity. still weighing it. why are they dragging their heels on this thing? dragging their feet on this thing? there's a political angle here, a lot of people will tell you. representative, congressman from staten island a republican will tell you that he believes that this is basically to protect president obama. why is this? jon corzine, the head of mf global, former goldman sachs ceo, former new jersey governor, new jersey u.s. senator was also a major campaign bundler for the president. it would be very embarrassing even if -- forget about an indictment, suppose he got a civil charge before the -- liz: wouldn't it be equally as embarrassing to give her immunity if it turns out -- i'm not saying of course that this was the case that she really was the one who did the wrong thing, couldn't that be what's holding it back? >> yeah, i mean they don't want to go that far out, but you know there's a lot of evidence, either just what people are saying that he was kind of in the mix, you know, fro